Miraculous Ladybug canon queer
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allthemiraculous(so I typed up bunches to tell someone about how queer this show is, and then I realized how much I'd typed…)
while this is written on the assumption that the reader knows nothing about Miraculous Ladybug, it does have spoilers for all canon aired to date.
okay so nobody in Miraculous Ladybug is explicitly in-text queer. and the showrunner wiped his Twitter account a while back, so I can't source most of the showrunner-said-on-Twitter statements and tbh I'm not gonna bother trying. it's mostly more fun to skip straight to showing you the subtext anyway.
in "Dark Cupid", Max is helping Kim plan out how Kim will ask Chloé to be his valentine. Max's expression in this sequence says he's happy to help make Kim happy, while Kim's looking; when Kim's not looking, Max looks really down. (this is not the only episode in which Kim is entirely oblivious to someone being interested in him, but Kim/Ondine is f/m so Ondine gets to actually voice her feelings.) also the showrunner said Max is ace.
in "Zombizou", the monster of the week blows magic kisses that turn people into a sort of zombie, who can then infect others by physically kissing them, which leaves a lip print even though a lot of these people probably weren't wearing lip color. at one point Our Heroes have got several uninfected people onto a bus, except the viewers see a lip print on Rose's leg while she's cuddling with her friend Juleka. cut to Our Heroes for a minute. cut back to Rose, who is now visibly zombified, and Juleka, who has no lip marks anywhere but who has her hand covering her mouth. all the characters present understand instantly that Rose infected Juleka. also the showrunner said they're dating. (smart money is on Juleka being a lesbian and Rose being bi. Rose showed romantic interest in a boy at one point, certainly.)
in "Reverser", Marc, whose only outfit (except when he's being the monster of the week) involves a red hoodie and rainbow tee, makes his first appearance. tweets before this episode premiered were teasing a character based on a genderfluid friend of the showrunner's. the friend said after the episode premiered that the said character is Marc. the episode plot revolves around Marc, a writer, being too shy to ask Nathaniel, an artist, to collaborate on a comic book with him. Marc looks ridiculously smitten with him throughout the episode, and at the end of the episode they're dedicating the first issue to Marinette, who spent the episode setting them up. also the showrunner said they're dating.
(the sequence in "Frozer" in which Adrien is trying to figure out who he can trust to talk about his girl trouble? makes a lot more sense if you realize he is silently considering and discarding Rose-and-Juleka and Marc-and-Nathaniel on the same basis that he's silently considering and discarding Alya-and-Nino and Ivan-and-Mylène, namely, these friends are all happily paired off. Alya/Nino and Ivan/Mylène are unambiguous in canon, but also both are f/m ships.)
in every single scene in which there's both Alix and talk of somebody's romance, which is a lot of scenes because most of the teen girl characters spend a bunch of episodes trying to set up Marinette and Adrien, Alix is on board with helping her friends but she is grumbling about it. it surprised me not at all when the showrunner said she's aro.
I have now run out of showrunner-confirmed queer, but like. Alya wears plaid shirts. Sabrina's everyday outfit is even more lesbian aesthetic. half of what Marinette says when she's talking about Kagami as a rival for Adrien's affections is about how pretty Kagami is, and Marinette gets really blushy when Clara dances with her. Kagami, when up close and personal with the superheroine who just saved her, turns bright red.
Alix's superhero outfit only isn't trans flag colors because her hair when she's being a superhero is red, but her ordinary hair is pink, so you see why I'm connecting the pink hair with the light blue and white superhero outfit as trans flag colors. Alix's everyday outfit is black and green, which is aro colors enough that (given showrunner confirmation Alix is aro) I'm a lot more confident in asserting that Marinette's everyday outfit and one of her superhero outfits, both pink and gray, are demigirl colors.
Adrien's onscreen romantic interests so far are Ladybug, Marinette (but he neither knows that Marinette is Ladybug nor, afaict, that he is romantically interested in Marinette), and Kagami (but I can't actually work out how much attraction he has to her; how much of what there is is because of her obvious similarities in appearance and personality to Ladybug; and how much of why he's pursuing her is because she's openly interested, he's not opposed, and Ladybug's turned him down). so I'm figuring him for demisexual and hasn't noticed yet.
the entire sequence in "Oblivio" about Super Penguino (a two-player side-scrolling platform mobile game) involves first teasing Alya and Nino for sneaking off during a class field trip to "play Super Penguino" (the visuals are they're about to kiss), then the various couples in the class saying how fun it is to play together, with Alya telling Adrien it's more fun with the right partner, isn't that right Marinette, wink wink nudge nudge. and when Sabrina says she and Chloé play together, Chloé shuts her up real quick. Chloé and Sabrina, in multiple episodes, are shown cosplaying Ladybug and Chat Noir—an f/m couple who everyone except Ladybug seems to ship—and being real cuddly while doing it. Chloé is the mayor's daughter, so anything that might scandalize the public such as her being queer is a problem for her father, and her mother is hypercritical of her. so I'm figuring Chloé for closeted lesbian; possibly bi, but it depends on the nature of her interest in Adrien.
the New York special introduces two mother-daughter pairs. the mothers, when not being superheroes, look suspiciously married, and one of the daughters' VAs tweeted to the other daughter's VA how much fun it was to play her sister. one of the mother-daughter pairs, both characters have two VAs because both their superhero identities are officially male.
and I have reason to believe Luka and Nino are both bi, but I cannot remember what those reasons are…
while this is written on the assumption that the reader knows nothing about Miraculous Ladybug, it does have spoilers for all canon aired to date.
okay so nobody in Miraculous Ladybug is explicitly in-text queer. and the showrunner wiped his Twitter account a while back, so I can't source most of the showrunner-said-on-Twitter statements and tbh I'm not gonna bother trying. it's mostly more fun to skip straight to showing you the subtext anyway.
in "Dark Cupid", Max is helping Kim plan out how Kim will ask Chloé to be his valentine. Max's expression in this sequence says he's happy to help make Kim happy, while Kim's looking; when Kim's not looking, Max looks really down. (this is not the only episode in which Kim is entirely oblivious to someone being interested in him, but Kim/Ondine is f/m so Ondine gets to actually voice her feelings.) also the showrunner said Max is ace.
in "Zombizou", the monster of the week blows magic kisses that turn people into a sort of zombie, who can then infect others by physically kissing them, which leaves a lip print even though a lot of these people probably weren't wearing lip color. at one point Our Heroes have got several uninfected people onto a bus, except the viewers see a lip print on Rose's leg while she's cuddling with her friend Juleka. cut to Our Heroes for a minute. cut back to Rose, who is now visibly zombified, and Juleka, who has no lip marks anywhere but who has her hand covering her mouth. all the characters present understand instantly that Rose infected Juleka. also the showrunner said they're dating. (smart money is on Juleka being a lesbian and Rose being bi. Rose showed romantic interest in a boy at one point, certainly.)
in "Reverser", Marc, whose only outfit (except when he's being the monster of the week) involves a red hoodie and rainbow tee, makes his first appearance. tweets before this episode premiered were teasing a character based on a genderfluid friend of the showrunner's. the friend said after the episode premiered that the said character is Marc. the episode plot revolves around Marc, a writer, being too shy to ask Nathaniel, an artist, to collaborate on a comic book with him. Marc looks ridiculously smitten with him throughout the episode, and at the end of the episode they're dedicating the first issue to Marinette, who spent the episode setting them up. also the showrunner said they're dating.
(the sequence in "Frozer" in which Adrien is trying to figure out who he can trust to talk about his girl trouble? makes a lot more sense if you realize he is silently considering and discarding Rose-and-Juleka and Marc-and-Nathaniel on the same basis that he's silently considering and discarding Alya-and-Nino and Ivan-and-Mylène, namely, these friends are all happily paired off. Alya/Nino and Ivan/Mylène are unambiguous in canon, but also both are f/m ships.)
in every single scene in which there's both Alix and talk of somebody's romance, which is a lot of scenes because most of the teen girl characters spend a bunch of episodes trying to set up Marinette and Adrien, Alix is on board with helping her friends but she is grumbling about it. it surprised me not at all when the showrunner said she's aro.
I have now run out of showrunner-confirmed queer, but like. Alya wears plaid shirts. Sabrina's everyday outfit is even more lesbian aesthetic. half of what Marinette says when she's talking about Kagami as a rival for Adrien's affections is about how pretty Kagami is, and Marinette gets really blushy when Clara dances with her. Kagami, when up close and personal with the superheroine who just saved her, turns bright red.
Alix's superhero outfit only isn't trans flag colors because her hair when she's being a superhero is red, but her ordinary hair is pink, so you see why I'm connecting the pink hair with the light blue and white superhero outfit as trans flag colors. Alix's everyday outfit is black and green, which is aro colors enough that (given showrunner confirmation Alix is aro) I'm a lot more confident in asserting that Marinette's everyday outfit and one of her superhero outfits, both pink and gray, are demigirl colors.
Adrien's onscreen romantic interests so far are Ladybug, Marinette (but he neither knows that Marinette is Ladybug nor, afaict, that he is romantically interested in Marinette), and Kagami (but I can't actually work out how much attraction he has to her; how much of what there is is because of her obvious similarities in appearance and personality to Ladybug; and how much of why he's pursuing her is because she's openly interested, he's not opposed, and Ladybug's turned him down). so I'm figuring him for demisexual and hasn't noticed yet.
the entire sequence in "Oblivio" about Super Penguino (a two-player side-scrolling platform mobile game) involves first teasing Alya and Nino for sneaking off during a class field trip to "play Super Penguino" (the visuals are they're about to kiss), then the various couples in the class saying how fun it is to play together, with Alya telling Adrien it's more fun with the right partner, isn't that right Marinette, wink wink nudge nudge. and when Sabrina says she and Chloé play together, Chloé shuts her up real quick. Chloé and Sabrina, in multiple episodes, are shown cosplaying Ladybug and Chat Noir—an f/m couple who everyone except Ladybug seems to ship—and being real cuddly while doing it. Chloé is the mayor's daughter, so anything that might scandalize the public such as her being queer is a problem for her father, and her mother is hypercritical of her. so I'm figuring Chloé for closeted lesbian; possibly bi, but it depends on the nature of her interest in Adrien.
the New York special introduces two mother-daughter pairs. the mothers, when not being superheroes, look suspiciously married, and one of the daughters' VAs tweeted to the other daughter's VA how much fun it was to play her sister. one of the mother-daughter pairs, both characters have two VAs because both their superhero identities are officially male.
and I have reason to believe Luka and Nino are both bi, but I cannot remember what those reasons are…
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Date: 2020-11-15 06:05 am (UTC)Being Kagaminette trash, I feel like the scene where Kagami helps Marinette up after she falls at the ice rink while the boys look on deserves a mention.
We won't discuss the ice cream flavor nonsense, but if we were....no subject
Date: 2020-11-15 06:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-11-15 04:09 pm (UTC)That's fair, especially given that I thought of yet another really queer moment just after I posted that comment, heh.